TPToA Podcast 397 – 97th Academy Awards Recap

Conan O brien 

Let me explain what we’re doing tonight. We have a great show, but before we continue, there are a few housekeeping. I’m implementing to keep the Oscars running smoothly. OK, first, if your acceptance speech goes too long, instead of playing you off with music, we have something much more powerful. We’ll cut to John Lithgow in the audience looking not angry but slightly disappointed. 

Dion 

Yes, that’s what you. Everyone, you want a slightly disappointed John Lithgow at your Oscars because hey wasn’t going to play the full intro to the Oscars. Because that would also breach copyright. Not going to do that. We’re just going to have some talking and that’s going to go. Hello. Welcome to the table. My name is Dion and I’m joined by Peter and Jill and Quinny, and we’re tonight. We’re talking about the night of nights. We dressed up for it. The Oscars. Yep, I love. Everyone didn’t get the memo, including myself. Made a mental memo. 

Peta 

This is the shirt that. Ran in. 

Speaker 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. 

Jill 

This is out after, after after, after party. 

Quinny 

Yeah, yeah. We’ve been to Vanity Fair. We’ve been to the one that some of the other. I was. I was about to say we’ve been to. 

Jill 

Elton John’s Elton’s off party. 

Quinny 

One at Yeezy’s house and then I went. No, we never go into the park. 

Dion 

Yeah. And like it’s two, it’s two days later. ‘S just trashed and we’re recovering. 

Quinny 

Yeah, they’re all over it. 

Jill 

Three days later. 

Quinny 

Is. 

Dion 

It’s really good and I’m not even going to put putting up the bother putting up the spoilers logo because come on, it’s post, it’s already gone. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Dion 

Not spoiling anything if you haven’t seen the Oscars by now are the winners. What are you doing? 

Peta 

But we’re not going to spoil the movie plots, right? 

Dion 

You guys out live? 

Peta 

A lot of. Films are actually still in cinemas at the moment. 

Quinny 

Yes. 

Dion 

No, I. In fact there’s a specific movie that is. Was did win. I think that I will not spoil the ending because that would be bad and make it pointless to see anyway. We’ll get onto that. 

Speaker 

But it is. 

Dion 

Yeah, tonight is kind of just a free form discussion and, you know, hello, welcome to the chat. People in the chat, I hope you’ve seen shout out in the chat of the ones that you saw of there and I just want to come out with it straight away. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Why did I watch every single ******* movie except for anora? 

Speaker 7 

Play. 

Jill 

Dear watched every other nominated film except. 

Dion 

I didn’t. I well I. 

Jill 

The winner. 

Dion 

I didn’t get to Amelia Perez and I didn’t get to Nora. 

Jill 

You. Not even want to attempt Amelia Perez? Is hot. 

Quinny 

Trash. 

Speaker 1 

There we go. 

Peta 

Straight into it. 

Jill 

Right into it, Queenie. Queenie no. 

Quinny 

I tried but the only version of it I could get didn’t have English subtitles at all, like it had Swedish. It had Dutch Norwegian and I was like, that’s cool, but I’d really like to know vaguely what’s going on here. 

Jill 

I think Selena Gomez would like to know what she said, too. 

Quinny 

Geez. 

Dion 

Yes. Yeah. In terms of for the long haul, I watched the Brutalist. That was ******* long. You know at at 3 1/2 hours that’s a. That’s a lot of film. But you know, there we go. Kasper is in the chat. Hello, just just throwing out, throwing out throwing out more Subs, Subs everywhere for this. 

Quinny 

Casper’s in like that. Damn. Just some. 

Dion 

So I’ve put a little super up for everyone to see on there as like what have you seen of the Oscar winners? This doesn’t. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

I may have seen films that didn’t win anything. But what have we seen of the Oscar winners? And as we can tell, definitely there, Peter saw wicked three times. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Peta 

And nothing else. 

Dion 

And no, wait, I didn’t get. 

Peta 

I’ve been very busy, but not too busy to see wicked three times. 

Speaker 

What did? 

Quinny 

But do end. 

Dion 

What did you attempt to watch? 

Peta 

I really tried hard to watch the substance. 

Dion 

It’s a good. 

Peta 

Even though I noped out of the review because I really didn’t want to watch the substance and you guys were like, good choice, Peter, you’ll hate it. It was one of the only ones I could access on streaming that I could try to watch for this, and so I I really gave it a red hot go. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

I mean. 

Peta 

And I, yeah. 

Quinny 

How far did you get? 

Speaker 2 

Oh look, I’ve I’ve. 

Peta 

I can say that I’ve seen the substance. I just kind of really started skipping forward towards the end. 

Dion 

Oh no. 

Peta 

Yep, that’s still happening. 

Speaker 7 

Oh no, did you? 

Peta 

That’s still. Yep, that’s happening some more. 

Quinny 

Did you get to the end end? 

Peta 

Yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

Peta 

I like I I I I. Watched the end end. 

Speaker 

Jill 

I just. You saw Eliza sue. 

Peta 

Yeah, I I like. I. I was like, Yep, OK. That’s how it. Sweet, but I I can’t claim to have properly watched the last. 

Dion 

Just pure pure nightmare fuel for pet. 

Speaker 7 

Well, OK. 

Peta 

Here’s the thing. You guys were correct when you told me that I it was a good idea for me. What? Not to watch it. It’s not just because I don’t like body horror. It’s because I don’t like. Lynch and I don’t like Cronenberg, and I don’t like like the work of like any of the people who have obviously inspired this work. So quality has nothing to do with it. I was never, ever, ever going to like this film and it. It’s one of those experiences, like at the beginning, before I started to truly hate it, I was like, this is clearly very good. In terms of a piece of film making, and I can see all of the references to all of those AES within this piece of film making, and I hate it. 

Jill 

Fair enough, you can appreciate. But it’s not your cup of tea. 

Peta 

Yeah, it’s like I’m. I’m not bagging it and saying it was bad. I’m saying it was extremely not for me. 

Speaker 

Yeah. I. 

Quinny 

That is completely. There are lots of gums. 

Dion 

Mean you tried? 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Jill 

Yeah, go star for train. 

Peta 

Yeah, exactly. Thanks guys. It’s like a Gold Star. 

Quinny 

Very proud of you. Even though you did the wrong thing, you still told the truth. So proud. See, I don’t actually know whether that’s a joke that translates outside of Tasmania even. No. 

Peta 

Oh, is that like an in? I thought it was just a thing you were saying. 

Quinny 

No it. It was a shut up, sorry. 

Jill 

The Popo’s out there. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Are coming for me after that **** joke. 

Dion 

The Tasmanian police are just turning up going. Are you talking about Tasmania? 

Quinny 

There were a bunch of Christian television ads that, as far as I’m aware, only aired in Tasmania. In between all of our other TV shows and one of them was about a. Kid who got in the grandfather’s car knocked over the chicken shed, killed some chickens. But he knew he was in big trouble and he still told the truth. And we are so proud of you. Our American ads did redubbed with Australian accents and I don’t know why. 

Dion 

Yeah, she, she. 

Quinny 

So I’m sorry, there’s probably a Tasmanian in the in the chat somewhere going Oh yeah, I know. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

They killed those. 

Peta 

I understood that reference. 

Dion 

They killed those chickens and they got away with it too. Right. So how do we all feel about the the the winners? And do we want to go through the the the top like I I say only say top tier because the ones that they like promote heavily. 

Peta 

You mean that the technical awards mean nothing to you, dude? 

Dion 

No, I. Because, you know, I’m a stand up below the line being someone who has been below the line before. And will never be above. Line I was going to say I’m. 

Quinny 

Pretty sure I live below the line and will be forever. 

Dion 

But yeah, like I mean we can go through the the the top tier ones, but I I want to find out whether or not you think it’s deserving of the winners. I mean, that’s always a matter of subject to opinion, because we already know the winners. 

Speaker 1 

Oh, OK. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Dion 

Do we think, you know, do we agree with the academy’s decision? On some of these, based on what we’ve seen or if there’s something about a film which you’re like, hey, I have, I have some issues. That I’m talking about. 

Jill 

Sure. Well do you want? Go by category, yeah. 

Dion 

Sure. I mean, I can go off the. The actual category, as as stipulated by the web page of the Academy was I have opened. That fine. OK, we’re going to. 

Jill 

Yes, please. Yes. 

Dion 

We’re going to go right off the top, the top one that is. I will go descending, not descending, acting a leading role, Adrian Brody for the PRUDEST. Do we all feel about Adrian Brody? Winning over the very special boy who was very specially campaigning, very hard to be a very serious actor. 

Speaker 7 

Ah. 

Jill 

I mean, I think it was probably between him and Ray Fiennes, but I would personally, I wouldn’t give it to Adrian Brody just because he doesn’t have a. Good reputation. As a being a good person so. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Jill 

But we’re not rewarding whether people are good. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, yeah. 

Jill 

Or. It’s the merit of their acting. But I haven’t seen it. 

Peta 

If there’s some kind of controversy also about them using AI to correct his accent, I haven’t read into it. Was talking to me about it. 

Quinny 

How is that one thing you use the AI for? 

Dion 

No, I I I I didn’t. 

Quinny 

Oh ****, I thought it was from backgrounds. 

Dion 

Yeah, I didn’t know what the AI controversy was, particularly because I haven’t looked into it, but as I had just mentioned off like I did, watch someone who is an architecture historian. Brutally, brutally. Tear the brutalist down as a matter of. Like this is a bad film about architecture because they don’t understand. So you know, like that’s the brutalest in in general, but in terms of acting. 

Speaker 7 

Oh, OK. 

Quinny 

You’ve watched all 3 1/2 ******* hours of it. 

Dion 

But I saw. 

Quinny 

Did you think his performance was best actor worthy? 

Dion 

But I saw four of the five Sorry 6 nominated films. Did I see 5? 

Quinny 

That’s. Answer the question did you think? Performance was. 

Dion 

Oscar Worthy comparative to the other nominees. I kind of think, yeah, he did do a really good job because he kept it solid for 3 1/2 ******* hours. But you know the only like you know Timothy Chalamet could have won for a complete unknown. You know, that was also a strange. And then he was going up against Ralph. Fine, who I felt like did an OK job in conclave. He wasn’t really stretching himself that much. And then you had Sebastian Stan in. The Apprentice and I mean that was an OK film, but it wasn’t great. 

Peta 

Yeah, but it was a really good character acting job. Like Sebastian. Stan, if we’re talking about the the best actor nominations, I mean that that was a that was a genuinely very good character acting. 

Quinny 

It was a ******* good performance. I didn’t see Sebastian standing there anymore. 

Jill 

Yeah, exactly. 

Quinny 

Like I I lost him in the role of Trump, and that to me is pretty ******* impressive because it also wasn’t a parody. And it wasn’t a caricature. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

It was I performance of the person and that’s pretty impressive. I’m just going to provide counterpoint down when you say best actor, I’m going to give you the worst actor as voted by the Razzies of this thing. 

Jill 

Oh, yes, please. 

Quinny 

Which I know a lot of people don’t like the Razzies. 

Dion 

Oh, sure, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 

Quinny 

Think that they’re harsh? They unnecessarily cruel. However, the worst actor from the Razzies was Jerry Seinfeld in Unfrosted. So there you go. 

Dion 

Well, didn’t see unfrosted yet, unfortunately. 

Speaker 

No. 

Quinny 

Familiar with it? 

Jill 

Not. 

Dion 

I’ll get around to it, but you know. 

Quinny 

It was a it was a comedy. 

Dion 

Was it though? 

Quinny 

About different breakfast cereal and people who were based on breakfast cereals, yeah. Pop tarts. It was about people that make pop tarts. 

Dion 

Quinny 

There you go. Jerry Seinfeld in a pop tart movie. I’m moving on. 

Dion 

Yeah, that was that was strange. 

Speaker 

Thanks. 

Dion 

Yeah, so like I. I gotta admit, I kind. I will go along with the Academy for this one because. Yeah, I felt that this was like the brutal loss was very much a film that was aimed at the Academy, you know? Yeah, it felt like it was Oscar bait going, but like 3 1/2 hours, man. Just ******* long. Next one we got down is actually in a supporting role. Which of course went to Kieran Culkin on a movie I did not see. Anyone see? 

Speaker 7 

This is a real pain. 

Jill 

Yeah, I know. I do want to see it though. I haven’t watched it, but I do want. See it. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I’m saying I saw a trailer for it, and I actually thought, Gee, that looks good, though I have heard it described as. Do you remember the the film? About Bob. That had. Oh God, who was the main actor? 

Dion 

I do remember the name of. What about Bob? 

Quinny 

Yeah, basically, it’s just an incredibly annoying person who won’t leave you alone. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Bill Murray, there you go. 

Quinny 

So did Bill Murray and Richard Dreyfuss. 

Dion 

Yeah, right. 

Quinny 

And as they said, it’s basically what about Bob, but with heart? So there you go. 

Dion 

I think that. So Kieran Calkin beat out Euro Borisov for. So I don’t know which character you’re a Borisov played in Nora and I didn’t see Anoro, so I can’t say anything to that. Point of information. Font of information. But I did see Edward. He did a really nicely, softly spoken role in a complete unknown and then Guy Pearce in the brutalist was good. Then Jeremy was strong in The Apprentice, I mean. 

Jill 

Jeremy Strong was really good though. Really was. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah, I don’t. I mean, because I haven’t seen it if it’s not. Kieran Culkin isn’t amazing. In that movie then I don’t know how we beat out a few of the other ones. 

Quinny 

I think he probably will be. 

Peta 

Now this is The funny thing about the Oscars. There’s no guarantee that everybody who voted. Is not coming from the same perspective of you right now. Like I saw some of them. 

Dion 

Sure. 

Peta 

Very much like the actors, you know, the idea is that everybody who is part of the the, The, the Academy or the the voting population is supposed to watch all of the films. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, yeah. 

Peta 

Before they cast their vote. But that can be a lot of films to watch. Lot of films to. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. Yeah. 

Jill 

Watch. 

Peta 

So. Yeah, there’s nothing to say there on. The people who actually noted weren’t doing the exact same thing that you just did. 

Dion 

Hey. Hey. I have to respect that opinion because. Literally, the person who has won a really prestigious award MP. 

Peta 

Although apparently that category is actually decided by a panel. OK, so much smaller. 

Speaker 7 

No. 

Quinny 

And before we move on. 

Peta 

What I’m actually that’s genuinely what I. Told at the time. 

Dion 

I think of Australia if Australians gave that Film Awards, it probably be decided by a panel beater. 

Quinny 

So before we move on our worst actor, our worst supporting actor, Jon Voight for Megalopolis Reagan, Shadow Land and Strangers. 

Jill 

Oh, not just one movie, but for a. 

Quinny 

Yeah, not just one whole bunch of them. 

Jill 

Of movies. 

Dion 

You saw Megalopolis, didn’t you? 

Quinny 

Yes, and it was ******* terrible. 

Dion 

So can you confirm whether or not John boy? 

Quinny 

And he was utterly atrocious in it. However, I wouldn’t say he’s the worst person in it. I actually think Shia. In Megalopolis should have won worst supporting actor because he was. Awful on a level completely, hitherto 4 on the scene. There you go. 

Dion 

Any. Any other things? Want to talk about for the supporting actor? No. Should move on to the next one. Actress in a supporting role. The. Zoe Saldana have not seen Amelia Perez, who saw who saw that. See that? Nope. OK. Feeding out Monica Barbaro in a complete unknown Ariana Grande. 

Jill 

I’ve heard it’s dog. I’m not going to touch it. 

Speaker 7 

Yay. 

Dion 

Felicity Jones in the brutalist. And Isabella Rossellini in conclave, and I completely forgot, Isabella Rossellini was in conclave until just reminded them. 

Quinny 

Did you just move to active in supporting role? 

Dion 

Yeah, I didn’t get actually seen a leading role because I just moved the mouse too quick. 

Quinny 

Because I. Like who are looking at the wrong list, Sir? 

Dion 

I got to admit to this. All right, if I do something wrong, I just need to cop to it straight. And hopefully. 

Jill 

Fix it in post. We’ll. Them in post. 

Dion 

Hopefully the police, the police will forgive me for killing that chicken. Dave, let’s get back to ask this. A leading role. 

Quinny 

I’m looking at this list and it’s wrong. 

Dion 

We’ll do supporting roles rather. We’ll come back to leading role. OK. Look, I just hadn’t seen. 

Quinny 

Amelia Perez Perez. 

Dion 

So I don’t know whether or not. I don’t know. 

Quinny 

I mean, I thought Ariana Grande was amazing and wicked. 

Dion 

Yeah, I’d give it to that actually. 

Jill 

All the performances in Wicked were good. Be honest. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

I mean, yeah, like Isabella Rossellini was kind of good in conclave, but also she wasn’t really there for a lot of the story of it because it was about voting for a new Pope. So it was important for certain parts, but like not for a majority of the ****** voting sessions. 

Quinny 

Yeah. OK. Yeah, I guess if people, I’m intrigued to know whether anyone around that we know has watched Amelia Perez and enjoyed it. Like if you were listening to this afterwards, please get in contact with this. Us a voicemail or or send us an e-mail or whatever. I would like to know who has watched enjoyed it because. Almost. I’ve talked to has been like I didn’t watch it, or if they did, they, like, hated it. 

Jill 

Yes, because like every ******* gay podcast that I listen to, everyone’s like, Oh my God, it’s absolutely trash. The songs are so bizarre they don’t really follow like typical. Go like musical movie. Like it’s all a bit jarring and disjointed. Yeah, the story is like not. And like the ******* the. That made the movie. Is French. It was all shot in France. They only did like a few scenes, that of like establishing shots in Mexico. He doesn’t know anything about Mexico, but apparently it’s all about. A. A guy in a Mexican cartel that wants to live his true life as a woman and goes to Thailand or Indonesia or something like that to have a sex change. That’s what the movie is about. 

Quinny 

And there’s musical numbers, yeah. 

Jill 

And it’s a musical. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I really wanted to give it a go. Just didn’t want to think. 

Dion 

What was the Razzie for the best supporting actress before we get back to so worst supporting actress? 

Quinny 

We’re we’re supporting actor, actress was Amy Schumer. Also for unfrosted. 

Dion 

Oh. Want to say unfrosted is unfrosted? 

Jill 

God is this movie. 

Dion 

Showgirls of this generation. 

Quinny 

It could well be. 

Dion 

Well, we come back, it’s like. 

Quinny 

Some of the other runners up were Aryan Debose for Argyle. Endow for Reagan Emma Thomas from Emma. 

Dion 

I got. 

Quinny 

Sorry from Madame Webb and FKA twigs from the crow. 

Dion 

Oh ****. You should have gone to fkht. 100% the residents should have gone to FK twigs. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Speaking, yeah. 

Quinny 

So now back to actress in the leading role. 

Dion 

Let’s get back to the proper actress in leading role. Look, that went to Mikey Madison for anora. Do we all think about that? 

Jill 

Well, I enjoyed. 

Speaker 7 

Well. 

Jill 

I thought she was really good. She’s such a young girl. 23 or something. She kind of ate in that movie. She was good. Yeah, Demi was wrong. 

Dion 

Robbed. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Of a lot. 

Peta 

OK, I can weigh in here. Of awards I did, I I. 

Speaker 7 

Was. 

Quinny 

Sorry, Steve. 

Peta 

Until I became unable to continue with the substance, I I really enjoyed the Mimos performance. There was something just so. Natural. And. 

Jill 

Lived in visceral. 

Peta 

Believable. Yeah. And visceral, which the entire film was was visceral. But there was something. There was something deep in her performance that was very visceral, and maybe it’s a woman thing, I don’t know. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

It’s well, it may be a woman thing, but even as a dude watching it, I was like, **** there. Something so real. And you know, there’s a sequence where she’s deciding to not go on a date and, you know, rubbing the the makeup off and every, like ******* hell like. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

And apparently I haven’t actually watched. Did anyone watch the Oscars live to look at any of those? Apparently, apparently. 

Jill 

No, it’s kind of that work. 

Dion 

Apparently, when when that happened, they did, they went to Demi and then they cut away real quick. When it and when it was announced, and I’m like fair like if if that was announced and I’m like, are you kidding me? I was in a movie about the problems of youth. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Dion 

And that and I just lost to someone who is like literally someone from the subway, other end of the substance. 

Jill 

Be less than half of her age, yeah. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can understand why she would have just had a little aneurysm like. 

Quinny 

Our worst actress, one that we’ve all seen for Madam Webb. It was Dakota Johnson. Congratulations, Dakota. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah. Deserved. 

Jill 

100%. 

Quinny 

Did. Did we actually discuss were best picture? No, because it’s down the list, isn’t it? OK. 

Jill 

No, we haven’t gone. That yet? 

Dion 

Sorry I didn’t skip that hard on the mouse click wheel. 

Quinny 

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

Dion 

I’m trying to be more conscientious now. Next step is animated. Is that what I’m supposed to be going to, Courtney? 

Quinny 

Yes, that’s what’s on the list in front of me. 

Speaker 7 

Hey Cortana. 

Dion 

Excellent. OK. And I’m gonna skip over some of the other ones like short animated short film and stuff because I didn’t get around to. Of that. Who saw the winner of the animated film float? 

Quinny 

There’s a knight in. I ******* loved it. 

Speaker 

Is it good pretty. 

Quinny 

It is such a beautifully weird film. About a a cat that is just living in this weird world filled with other animals and weird statues of animals and cats and stuff like that. And then for no particularly good reason, the entire world floods and. The cat gets onto a boat and then Cafe Bara gets onto a boat and then marmoset gets onto the boat. And then there’s a dog who was a bit of * **** earlier in the film, and he gets onto a boat and then there’s. Then there’s a bird and it’s just ******* magical. And I loved it. And it was. Thoughtful and simple and beautifully done and. 

Dion 

So better than Wallace and Gromit 3. 

Quinny 

Three look wolves through was fun. But also you know that a ******* ton of money’s gone into it. And hundreds of people writing it and making sure it’s absolutely ******* note perfect and stuff. This was just a bunch of people who made a film that they thought would be really cool and weird. 

Dion 

Apparently they made it with Blender, which is an open source tool, so. 

Peta 

Yeah. So I’m making a list. 

Dion 

Let’s just go ahead and make a film. 

Peta 

This a yes watch. 

Quinny 

I would I I would love for people to check it out because it’s got no language in it at all. No, like it was a. Was that Latin? I think the. 

Dion 

No dialogue, no, no barrier to to understanding. 

Quinny 

Not at all. Yeah. And it’s, you know, quite weird and a bit magical and a bit. A bit strange, but if you do not love the capybara by the end of it you are dead inside. 

Dion 

You must love capybaras. Is your. Bumper sticker neck when he is it. Was it a worthy winner over inside out two and the wild robot? 

Quinny 

Haven’t seen the wild robot inside out, too, I thought was really good, but perhaps not as. 

Peta 

Not Oscar would. 

Quinny 

Not as good, not as not ground breaking as the first one. 

Peta 

I mean, we never really talked about that, but I really enjoyed inside out to. To me it was a bit more ground breaking than the first one, but again it is. 

Speaker 7 

Like. 

Peta 

Spoke to a very specific audience of me so. 

Dion 

I connected. 

Peta 

It hit me. Harder than the first one. But you know, if you’re kind of judging like best animated film. It’s about more than how much did it make Peter cry? 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it was very, very good. And it was tough. I also didn’t watch memoir of a snail, and I do want to shout out to Adam, Elliot and Kenny. You know Australians making you know weird. Strange little animated films. I don’t know that the Razzies actually do animated. 

Dion 

Or is it just every episode of Bluey? 

Speaker 7 

Thank you. 

Quinny 

I’ll go for one of the other things. Worst remake RIP off or sequel? Great. One by Joker followed. 

Dion 

I respected that joke in the like the the joke in the ceremony, which is like we’re sorry for all the producers who lost their houses, specifically the joke. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Jill 

About losing houses. 

Dion 

They were talking about the Bush fires, obviously, but. 

Quinny 

The other worst remix ripples were the Crow Craven, the Hunter Mufasa and Rebel moon, too. 

Dion 

Oh man, well done, peak Razzie. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Love that. So should we go to cinematography? 

Quinny 

Yes. 

Speaker 7 

Sure. 

Dion 

Yeah, that’s the next one. It. The winner was the brutalist. 

Jill 

Was it a pretty movie? 

Speaker 1 

Look. 

Dion 

If there’s one redeeming feature of it, it was it. It was always consistently pretty, even though it’s not supposed to be pretty, but it was visually interesting. So they they made choices. In there, which was like one of the the most interesting opening sequences is when you know they’re on the boat coming to America. Writing immigrating. Sorry into America. And when you the first time they are looking at the Statue of Liberty because the cameras kind of following them and it’s trying to explain how difficult it is on a ship. Know it’s like twists and turns and it’s cramped and it’s it’s every the first time you glimpse it, it’s completely upside down on an angle. But it’s still a beautiful frame and a wonderful picture of the Statue of Liberty holding the torch. Just upside down the other way around. And that’s kind of the film. It’s it takes really beautiful imagery and presents it in a way that could be a little bit stark and disturbing. 

Peta 

It also appears to have used a cinematic film format that hasn’t been used in years in Hollywood. 

Dion 

So. 

Peta 

It seems to maybe be a very technically. Technically. Respectable. 

Dion 

Yeah. And I feel I feel like. It would have done that because it’s very consistent and with 3 1/2 hours of ******* footage, it’s pretty hard to get everything pretty consistent. But what I will say is I’m not sure it beats out both. June Part 2. And Nosferatu in the in the framing because like, even though you do get some really great imagery from the Brutalist, it’s 3 1/2 hours long and a lot of it is focused on a tight frame about the acting. So I don’t think. 

Quinny 

I was going to ask you about Nosferatu. 

Dion 

It was that pretty, comparatively. 

Quinny 

I mean, I thought June 2 was very visually striking, but.

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

It was also more of the same from June 1. 

Dion 

As a continuation, like you know, June 1 and June 2 were shot at the same time. They just released differently and he was either going to get nominations for June or June Part 2. 

Speaker 7 

Quinny 

Right. 

Dion 

It’s like the Lord of the Rings, you know, the Lord of the Rings comes out and it’s like, well, I’ve got nothing for the first one. Got nothing for the second one. And then for the last one. Yeah, all the awards. The awards. You know, just have to do it also for Nosferatu because like Nosferatu was a beautifully shot film. 

Jill 

I mean. Did a lot of Moody stuff. I wouldn’t say that it was appealing to me in a cinematic kind of way, but it was. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. I don’t know. 

Jill 

Did its job. 

Quinny 

Right. 

Jill 

Workmen like the framing was good. I mean, it was dark with and you were still able to see stuff. I also I always. I hate when something’s really dark and you just can’t see anything. 

Quinny 

Oh my God. Yes, you can see every week. 

Jill 

Yet it was dark but there. Still contrast, you know. 

Dion 

Yeah, every wrinkle on that. Pending when it jumps out at you. 

Jill 

On. 

Dion 

That. 

Jill 

Vampire pen. 

Speaker 

Like. 

Dion 

People were shocked when they went to watch the Watchmen in IMAX and they were like. Crusts. 

Jill 

I don’t want to waste no scrap too. 

Dion 

And IMAX. And weirdly aroused anyway. It. There was there a. Razzie or no, no. Is there another category you could throw at us for? 

Quinny 

No. Worst screen combo. 

Jill 

Oh yeah. 

Quinny 

So some of the nominees for this were the entire cast of Megalopolis. Dennis Quaid and Penelope Ann Miller in Ronnie in Reagan as Ron and Nancy. Any 2 characters from Unfrosted at any point in time. 

Dion 

Frosted. 

Quinny 

And yeah, and anyone acting opposite Jack Black in Borderlands but the. 

Speaker 2 

Winner. 

Speaker 7 

Perfect. 

Speaker 

Sam. 

Quinny 

The winner of Worst screen combo was Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga and Joe. 

Speaker 

Oh. 

Dion 

I hope they turned up to accept their award. No, not. All right. Next one to next. One of this is costume design. 

Quinny 

I think. 

Jill 

Ia 100% agree with the winner for this one 100% agree. 

Dion 

Well, Peter might be able to explain to this. 

Peta 

Is this something that we’ve talked about already when we’ve talked about it at length, Jill? 

Jill 

Yes. Well, one for best costume design. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Jill 

Wicked. 

Peta 

It. It was one of the things that I came outgoing. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Peta 

The costumes. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

They’re stunning. Like utterly, utterly stunning. 

Dion 

But was it any better than Nosferatu? Let’s be honest. I’m. I’m really joking. It was going up against what Nosferatu, Gladiator, 2 conclave and complete unknown. And you know, I saw a complete unknown. I thought that was really great. Did really good period costumes and they looked authentically like. 

Speaker 7 

Dion 

Folk concert stuff. And I thought Conclave was like, come on. It’s it’s. It’s it’s, it’s it’s, it’s a group of Italian men who just hang out with each other the whole time. 

Jill 

Pope gear. 

Dion 

You can just, it looks Immaculate. They’re all. Know they’re all dressed the same. There’s. 

Jill 

Look, my costume designer friend saw Nosferatu and she picked up a fault in one of Lily Deb Ros’s costumes. She’s like, that’s a. From me. 

Dion 

Was. Was it her acting? 

Jill 

No, it was a ******* costume. Just. 

Dion 

Said yeah, I know, but I was the fault actually. In the costume. 

Jill 

Was that so? She wears this dress that has a stripe and it’s the stripes. Go on angles and apparently from the. 

Dion 

The problem? 

Jill 

Back. She’s like, I don’t think they’re meant to shoot this dress from the back because the stripes. Match in the back of the dress. That’s a big no no. If you can’t Pat and match a period dress. 

Dion 

The Victoria, the Victorian child that would have made that in real life would have been flogged by the sweatshop owner for not doing that. 

Speaker 7 

Absolutely, yeah, yeah. 

Dion 

Yes, well, well done to wicked. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Wicked. 

Dion 

Great. Yeah. 

Quinny 

I mean, like, it’d have to win that one. Honestly, the the the competition was nowhere near. Yeah. 

Jill 

Yeah. If it didn’t win, I’d write. 

Quinny 

Yes, sure. 

Dion 

Any any reszy quinny? For no. 

Quinny 

Then we start getting it like essentially, we’ve just got like worst director and worst film still. We also have worst screenplay and some other stuff, but we’ll get to that, OK? 

Dion 

That’s all right. We just. 

Quinny 

Let’s. 

Dion 

Move on, little skip. Next one is directing. 

Speaker 7 

Oh. 

Dion 

So the winner was Sean Baker for Nora. 

Speaker 7 

Dion 

Going up against Brady Corbett for the brutalist James Mangold, for a complete unknown, Jack’s audiard for Emilia Perez and Corally ***. Yet for the substance. Now. There has been some controversy about. 

Quinny 

I would have gone to Coralie. 

Dion 

Yes, yes, I probably would have gone for Coralie too. I think that that was a really powerful one. But there’s been some. Oh, there’s always controversy. But there. There was quite a problem with the production of anora because they had to be shut down halfway through. To turn it into a union gig because it started out as a non. Gig. And I actually had to step in and get everyone paid correctly. 

Quinny 

Because if they halfway through, they realised if they keep on working on it, they’d lose their. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Health benefits. 

Dion 

Well, yeah. So people were working on it and getting kind of royally screwed or like, and this is to say, this wasn’t the above line people. Were all treated really well. It’s all. It was all the below the line people because it was considered it was sold to people as this is a indie small budget film. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Dion 

And technically that has to. Like apparently it goes under 3,000,000 is considered a small budget by the Union in America. Don’t. 

Jill 

Dion 

Fact Check me on that fine with 6,000,000. That was made for and people still getting screwed over. They’re like, wait, you’ve got twice the budget of an indie film and we’re. 

Speaker 

Oh. 

Speaker 7 

Quinny 

Yeah, you’ve got us working for scale and working non union and yet you’ve got the budget. 

Dion 

Getting screwed over. 

Quinny 

That’s not cool. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there was a little bit of stuff about that there, you know, great subject matter, but a little bit of like hey. Pay your people. People in America at the moment are dying for work because it’s imploding a little bit. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Dion 

You know, do the right thing, even if it’s, you know. Anyway, we shut down and it was reclassified as an IT 1 so that people could get their healthcare, you know, so you have to work set number of hours on a union project in order to keep your Union healthcare. Amazing turned out OK in the end. 

Speaker 7 

So. 

Quinny 

Yeah, I would have gone, Carly. Look, James Mangold, he does some good. But I only watched a little bit of the complete unknown and I was like, Oh yeah, it’s very pretty. 

Dion 

I got to say like, if there’s one thing for that film, it’s it was a small snapshot of 10 year period of that you know character and I call Bob Dylan a character because he kind of is and he even knows he is. Of that character’s life, and it was really well done. But it was like a small snapshot. I can sort of understand why it wasn’t, you know, made to receive. 

Speaker 7 

Dion 

Gave it a red hot go. 

Quinny 

Do you want worse director? OK. So the the nominees were for unfrosted Jerry Seinfeld.

Jill 

Oh no. He directed us too. 

Dion 

Need to rest. 

Quinny 

For Borderlands Elite, Roth for Joker. Do it was Todd Phillips for Madam Webb, SJ Clarkson and the winner of worst Director for Megalopolis was Francis Ford Coppola. 

Speaker 

Oh. 

Quinny 

He wrote a very, very upset e-mail to the rosies. That’s great. 

Dion 

I I kind of want to be the Razzies. 

Quinny 

Yeah, like he’s it’s one of those things where you like. You you’ve kind of got to have a sense of humour about it like. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

You know you, you know, OK. This didn’t work for people, and he wrote a very yeah. 

Speaker 7 

If. 

Jill 

If you’re going to be part of the culture, you have to accept that people are going to either like or dislike your work. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, yeah. 

Jill 

And we’re allowed to be vocal either way. 

Quinny 

Look. Yeah, so part of his line was in this wreck of a world today where art is given scores as if it were professional wrestling. I chose to not follow the gutless. Right, laid down by an industry so terrified of risk that despite the enormous pool of young, talented disposal may not create pictures that were relevant. I have 50 years from now. 

Jill 

OK, but you don’t get scored in professional wrestling? 

Dion 

Francis Francis. 

Speaker 2 

You literally. 

Quinny 

Oh, good, Francis. 

Dion 

You literally hold the purse strings to be able to fund all of that for all of the creatives who are young and up and coming. Like, do you not see? It’s like people are doing creative things and when fun stuff like you could like all of you creatives who in the 60s and 70s came out and made these blockbusters and did all this, that you have more than enough money to do that. 

Speaker 

Mm. 

Dion 

Now. You could sit back and. I’ve done my films now I can just throw 5610 million dollars. Three even, you know, and just have people make sound. 

Quinny 

Mm. He he. Sorry, the second-half of. Is a Ripper 2. What an honour to stand alongside great and courageous film makers like Jack Tati. Who have? Himself completely to make one of the cinema’s most beloved failures playtime. My sincere thanks to all my brilliant colleagues who joined me to make our work of art megalopolis and let us remind ourselves that the box office is only about money and like war, stupidity and politics has no true place in our future. 

Peta 

That’s actually a really. Think good. Yeah, that’s like that’s a good statement. A fair and statement. 

Quinny 

Honestly, that’s why I wanted to read the second. I was like it kind of turns it around on that last bit. 

Jill 

Yeah. Look, I don’t agree about his view on films being rated and scored because I’m sorry, but yes, it is an art form, but it’s also. A part of entertainment culture, and if you’re going to participate in that, you have to be open to criticism. Sure. 

Dion 

And if we just get away with like, ratings or scores, our entire podcasts format needs to be thrown out and. Again, yeah. 

Peta 

Yeah. And and writing’s on a mass scale can be absolutely. Look at what happens when something upsets the community and it just gets massively like review bond. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, yeah. 

Peta 

So yeah, you know, you can take ratings with a grain of salt. Can take reviews with a grain of salt. There’ll always be somebody who likes your film and somebody who doesn’t like your film, even if it’s an excellent film like the substance, there might be people that hate it with a crying passion. So. 

Jill 

Well, Lady Gaga finally addressed like the Folly Ade controversy, or not even controversy. But just like outpouring. Of hate for the movie and she’s like, look, sometimes people just don’t like something. 

Quinny 

And that’s fine. 

Jill 

Honestly. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Peta 

And look, Francis Ford Coppola is is an author and a veteran director. Has given us some of, you know, modern cinemas. Greatest. And. Most interesting moments. And I think that you know. 

Dion 

Are you talking about Godfather part three there? 

Peta 

But I think. Great film makers don’t make bad things. Maybe we would never kind of get better, but I I you know, and and he’s allowed to do what he wants to do. And I also think that. A **** load of money shouldn’t be spent on. Large scale artistic experiments. Because, you know, back in the day, those kinds of, like artistic experiments at the auteurs were were doing. 

Speaker 1 

Play foot. 

Peta 

They were on a very different budget scale and that’s kind of part of what made them work, because you can really think about the art and not. The kind of million budget lines. I don’t. I never actually saw Megalopolis because again, like you guys saw it. And then I was like, yeah, I’m. I’m I don’t have to. 

Speaker 7 

Dion 

I never saw. 

Peta 

Only have time to watch wicked three times. 

Speaker 

But like. 

Peta 

I respect that statement. I think that’s reasonable. 

Dion 

Yeah. Yeah, it’s. It’s a reasonable statement, but like you know. 

Quinny 

Yeah, fair enough. 

Dion 

So what’s up next off documentary feature film? 

Quinny 

The country. Let’s let’s skip over this category. Documentary’s not a real category anyway. 

Peta 

Thanks. You know, keep over it. 

Quinny 

Shouldn’t. 

Peta 

Skip over it because it’s really embarrassing that I haven’t watched any of the nominees. 

Speaker 7 

We. 

Peta 

So yeah, skip, skip, skip. 

Speaker 

No. 

Quinny 

I was joking, Peter. 

Dion 

Well deserved and well won, apparently because I haven’t seen it. No other land. The the documentary about. Palestine, basically of the West. 

Speaker 7 

Is.

Quinny 

It this is the one that was actually made. Secret no. 

Dion 

So there’s a separate so out of this. 

Quinny 

Give me. 

Dion 

I have. I have seen one of these which was. Thanks to Docplay and Docplay is a great streaming. Which anyone can go and watch. I think you get 2 weeks free at the moment, but it’s a great service and they have all of the nominees available to stream right now. So, you know, not a payday. There’s no pain, but when goes I got to go and see the porcelain wall. Oh, sorry. Porcelain wall. Recently and it was. And so that one was about artists. So post 2 postal artists who are in the Ukraine and they got sent cameras by some Australian producers following up and. They filmed their life and shot what was happening in Ukraine from the start of the invasion to only, I think, last year. And, like, smuggle the footage out like it was literally like sending stuff into a war zone and getting it out. Zone. And then it was all edited together and put together. Really, it’s a really touching. And beautiful sort of different view. It’s because you know they explaining like, these are two porcelain artists. What do they? Well, they go to the day job which is fighting. And shooting people. And then they come out of the front line and then they go back to making beautiful porcelain sculptures. Because it’s important, you know. And it was interesting to see. So I highly recommend that one, which I have seen want to see no other land probably good. I’m. A hard thing with documentary you. Usually they’re all great once you watch a documentary. Like, that’s amazing. Should it? Yeah, all of them should win. 

Quinny 

But there’s always unfortunately for a lot of people there is that that barrier to going. I want a documentary. You know, there’s a there’s a thing where it’s like this is this is. 

Peta 

Don’t make me learn something. 

Quinny 

They do. It doesn’t make me have to engage with reality. 

Peta 

Don’t make me think about the world. 

Dion 

What do you mean? This is happening right now? 

Quinny 

Yeah, let me live in. My beautiful yeah. Exactly. 

Dion 

Yeah. So yeah, I recommend go out and see it. See all of the. Somehow all through DOC plate because you can. And. 

Quinny 

Short film documentaries I’ve not watched any of these, unfortunately. 

Dion 

Yeah. There any short ones? 

Quinny 

Film editing. 

Dion 

Oh. So I’m. 

Quinny 

So. 

Dion 

I’m just having a look who’s on there. There’s wicked Amelia Perez conclave, Brutalist and Anora didn’t say Nora. 

Quinny 

It starts getting kind of repetitive after a. Doesn’t it? Personally, I would have gone with the editing on wicked because I thought some of the dance numbers and things were not just. Beautifully choreographed and, you know, sung and everything like that. But there was some very, very smart editing. To assemble them into a way that actually made you go along with the music and feel like you were. Moving to the rhythm of the music. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Quinny 

Like defying gravity is A is a. You know a big building, a showstopper of a film of of a of a number. But then, like, be very ******* easy to **** that up. And not have it feel as big and as as impressive as it should be. If you get the editing wrong. And I thought babe absolutely nailed it there. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm hmm. 

Quinny 

But they didn’t win. So anyway, Nora. 

Dion 

From what I’ve seen, I. I haven’t watched about 20 minutes of Adora, but it feels very much like a bit cinema verite fly on the wall, kind of stuff. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

You know. I’m gonna wait to see what? In the end, it’s not as funny as I was. Someone said it was a dark comedy or a comedy and I’m like, not that funny. Anyway. 

Quinny 

Is it funny? 

Jill 

It hadn’t. A few moments, but it’s kind of like funny in a wry, situational kind of way. It’s not like they’re not doing gags. No real. It’s just like this is the situation that you’re in and. These are the. Things that are happening and it’s it’s kind of wry. I’d say. 

Speaker 7 

OK, go. 

Speaker 

Yeah, now. 

Quinny 

That I’m not at work, I might. Another go at it. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

International feature film. Yes. Did we get to that? 

Quinny 

We we are the we are the international feature film. 

Dion 

Yeah. Yes, you did. You saw Flo. 

Quinny 

I haven’t seen any of them. Oh sorry, I saw Flo. I was fascinated by German entry, which is the seed of a sacred fig. So this was the film that I was thinking of. So it is a film that was shot entirely in. Well, in Iran. That was entirely illegal, so the filmmaker wasn’t allowed to make films. Has made films in the past and has been punished for that. Couldn’t like any time that you they wanted to film, they needed to go out and get a permit. So they were getting permits to say that they’ll make an entirely different film. And the director was not on set was watching remotely. That was the only one can actually direct it. And then at the end of it all, they cut it. Well, they they had all of the the footage and then the director walked out of the country ’cause. That was the only way that they could get out and edited the film in Germany, which is why it’s the German entry. 

Jill 

Dion 

Yeah, interesting. 

Peta 

Yeah, it’s not. It’s not the first film that has been made in Iran. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Peta 

In in that manner. Yes, it’s, but it’s interesting. I. I didn’t actually know that I might have to try to seek that one out and. And give it a. 

Quinny 

Yeah, uses footage of actual protests that were happening in and around Iran at the same time. So sort of managers seem to weave the story of this these young girls. Who are watching protests happen around them and going? You know, I want to take off my hijab and make up and and join in these protests. But at the same time, seeing. Yeah, really. The how dangerous it is and showing it really happening. So by the sounds of it at a pretty incredible film, but almost as incredible. The fact that you actually. To see it. 

Dion 

Yeah. And the winner of that one was, I’m still here from Brazil, which I also got to see, which is great. 

Quinny 

You have seen that. 

Dion 

Yeah, I did. I saw. Still. It’s about someone, basically a political. A person who is politically exiled or not exiled, sorry, politically disappeared in Brazil during the 70s when they had the, you know, junta coup and just disappeared and never like acknowledged that that person had gone. It’s just it’s a dramatic dramatization about the real story that happened. So it’s really good and I completely believe I think actress, sorry, actress. Where is it? Oh yeah, Fernando. She did a great. So she was the lead in. So she was the wife of the person of the husband that got disappeared and her trying to seek just an explanation of what happened. And that whole thing was really great. If you get a chance to sit. Go for it. Any other Razzies quinny. 

Quinny 

Oh look, there’s the the things that are left are actually, this one’s an interesting 1, the Razzie. The e-mail so this is something that the rosies have kind of done in an effort to soften themselves a little bit. They’re giving awards to people who have redeemed themselves from. Past razzie. Shame. So in this case, the Redeemers were for the substance Demi Moore. That she in the past had gotten a Razzie for something terrible and now has redeemed herself and is doing amazing stuff for the film, subservience Megan Fox. 

Jill 

Quinny 

Which I haven’t seen, but apparently it’s quite good. And the Razi Redeemer. So Pamela Anderson having. Originally won a Razzie for barbed wire. 

Peta 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Regain for the the last show girl, yeah. 

Quinny 

Has gotten. 

Jill 

I want to see last. 

Dion 

Show girl, I’ve got a connection to that too. It was filmed in my friend Gypsy’s house in Las Vegas. 

Jill 

Oh wow. 

Speaker 7 

Dion 

She is a showgirl. 

Jill 

She was an elder. Her name not Lola, obviously. 

Dion 

Her name? Gypsy. Her name’s gypsy. 

Speaker 7 

You ever know? 

Quinny 

Never. Could be Lola. Let’s call it Lola. Just wonderful. 

Dion 

What do we got next? Makeup. 

Speaker 

Scooby sheet. 

Speaker 7 

Hey. Squishy. 

Quinny 

Oh. 

Dion 

Squishy. I think that was that was 100% great. I agree with. I agree with the Academy. On that one. 

Jill 

Peter, do you agree? 

Peta 

On which one? 

Jill 

Best make up. 

Peta 

Mean. I didn’t like it so. 

Jill 

But it was very good, wasn’t it? 

Peta 

I didn’t like it at all. 

Dion 

Next one is musical. No, sorry music, sorry. The Brutalist 1. 

Speaker 7 

Wait. 

Dion 

And it went up against. 

Quinny 

Wicked. I know. I was like. 

Jill 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

So this an original score. 

Peta 

Is there, but was wicked was the. Yeah, it’s got to be the original score, so it’s not. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Peta 

It would have to be the the any music of wicked that wasn’t already in the musical. And there’s only one song that was. Well, there may have been some additional kind of sure. 

Jill 

Score. 

Peta 

Boring, but like, yeah. 

Jill 

Yeah. Oh, that’s true, actually, yeah. 

Dion 

I got to meet the music, the score of the Brutalist is actually an interesting one because it. It goes to great pains to explain. Is it like it does make you ask? The question is like is this beautiful or is this not? Is this good music or is it not? Or you feel at the same time you’re like, oh, that’s a nice bit of music. And then you’re like, out. That’s that feels weird. So it’s kind of, yeah, I. I haven’t seen enough of the rest of them. We’re getting there towards the. 

Quinny 

We we are absolutely. 

Dion 

Do you have another resie one that queue for that before we get to the, I’ve only got really like best. Picture and production design really. 

Quinny 

Oh, look, there’s best. But there’s also, like, there’s screenplay and all that sort of stuff. 

Dion 

I was watching. 

Quinny 

Don’t know whether we’re. To go all the way down there. 

Dion 

No, that’s not. 

Quinny 

Visual effects is also down down the list a little bit, and that’s what I always pay attention to. Like I always like. 

Dion 

One, if you want to talk about. I mean, let’s be honest, we we’ve all got Daredevil season born again, Episode 1 and 2 to watch. We’ve talked. 

Quinny 

OK, so best visual effects. Some of the nominees were better, man. A film that none of you are going to watch, but. I thought did an incredible job. Kingdom of the Planet of the. Apparently we were doing a strong number in monkeys, apes. Alien and Romulus, which? Yeah, the effects were great. Even if the yeah. 

Dion 

That’s just space, apes. 

Quinny 

Yes, wicked. Yes, I thought it was very, very pretty. 

Dion 

This is flying. This is flying apes. 

Quinny 

It truly was. 

Dion 

It’s very monkey heavy. 

Quinny 

Beautiful monkey. 

Speaker 

Who? 

Dion 

Was the best monkey. 

Quinny 

I’m the winner of the best visual effects was June Part 2. 

Speaker 7 

Oh. 

Peta 

She’ll face. 

Quinny 

Not entirely sold on that. June Part 2 also won Best Sound, which I’m kind of like. 

Jill 

Such as the wall. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Look, I mean, I think June 21 because of the the hackone and giddy prime Colosseum scene shot with all of that kind of infrared footage. Come on. That was. That was an amazing visual, jarring like, you know, you’re shooting in a desert. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

You make that look. You made it look good. Kind of like this. And then you need to create. 

Quinny 

I’m making it. 

Dion 

A different planet completely. 

Peta 

I mean, I I would say that we were all pretty blown away by the the visual effects in the Kingdom of the planet of the Apes. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Peta 

And how seamless it was in that. And I I could echo the same sentiment for wicked. In terms of the way the visual effects were used to to to build. That world in a way that didn’t feel. Two icky and and overdone, but I would also say having not seen you in Part 2 and having no plans to see you in Part 2 that. I cannot make a judgement. On whether that’s deserved. 

Dion 

You get around, Timothy. He needs a lot of people to to give him validation. He was in a lot of films. 

Peta 

Don’t know why I just can’t bring myself to do it. I just like it’s like I’m. I’m almost having like, a a physical resistance to watching June Part 2. 

Speaker 

Jill 

I watched the. 

Quinny 

Me and Parks and rec. 

Jill 

They did the whole thing in one movie. They didn’t have to split it. 

Dion 

Up. Yeah, but you. 

Peta 

Could say that about wicked, but you know. 

Speaker 7 

No. 

Quinny 

I did see a thing. 

Dion 

Look, it’s if the brutalist. Be 3 1/2 hours. Why can’t you just get one wicked movie or one June movie that goes for 3 1/2 hours? Come on. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Yeah, do that. I did watch a thing the other day about the king of the planet of the Apes, where they had a couple of special effects guys who literally like this is a corridor crew who go OK. Let’s look at how difficult this was. One of them was literally just sitting there going. The best ******* special effect I’d ever seen. 

Peta 

It was really seamless. 

Quinny 

There’s a bit when the the orangutan is off the side of the bridge and there’s water splashing all over it and like, and he’s holding on trying to save the. And like the the water effects combined with the fur effects combined with the acting combined with the texturing and when they pulled it apart, I looked at them and went ******* hell. That is good. Like like the way the hair mattered, the way that the water interact with it. Was like Jesus. Yeah, that is an incredibly complex shot. 

Jill 

And yet we can get a green screen moment like the one that we had in Captain America. 

Speaker 7 

And. 

Quinny 

Yes. 

Dion 

You see, because as as humanity has is literally perfecting the visual effects monkey, as soon as. Like it’s like it’s like there’s some trace of the original that remains in the new. We only really understand monkeys. 

Quinny 

I believe it. Are we going to cover screenplays at all? 

Dion 

Oh dear. 

Speaker 

Oh. 

Quinny 

We don’t have. That’s just one of the last things on the. 

Dion 

‘Cause the adapted screenplay was conclave. That was the winner. I mean, I think you were mentioning it today, Queenie. Hoping it was more death of Stalin than what it was. Is that what you were saying to me? 

Quinny 

I haven’t seen the film, so I couldn’t tell you. 

Dion 

Have been a great. It could have been a great comedy. 

Jill 

Oh, I was talking to you about that yesterday. Thought it was a bit. 

Dion 

Oh yes, that’s right. Sorry, Jill. 

Jill 

Of Stalin. I haven’t watched it. 

Dion 

Yeah, you did say that because, yeah, that was at Mickey 17, which we’re doing next week. Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s fine. 

Jill 

Yes, don’t get distracted. 

Dion 

And I agree. I agree with you, Jill. Think conclude. 

Peta 

Jill wants to watch Daredevil. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Conclude would have been amazing if it was like death of Stalin. Right. It was just kind of a. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

More sense? It’s just a little bit more serious and I was like, Nah, I needed a bit of comedy and then it would have been real funny. 

Quinny 

Right. So the worst screenplays Reagan based on a book. Megalopolis by Francis Ford Coppola. Craven the hunter. 

Dion 

Still haven’t seen it? 

Quinny 

Based on Math comics, obviously Joker followed her just because. DC Comics, but the worst screenplay by Matt Sasma Burke Chaplas Claire Parker, SJ Clarkson, Kareem Sanger, Matt Sasse, Mo Burke, and Chavez. Is Madam Webb. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Yeah, because it was barely a script. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, it was just. 

Jill 

The stuff that happened. 

Dion 

No one knew what we were doing. 

Jill 

No, I didn’t know what they were doing. 

Quinny 

Nobody ******* knew what that was doing. 

Jill 

Nobody knew what they were doing. 

Dion 

Well, there you go. Our Oscars random. 

Quinny 

Well, we haven’t done best picture, dude. 

Dion 

What was the best picture? 

Jill 

Well, the Academy says. 

Dion 

What was no actually from. 

Speaker 

Yes. 

Dion 

From what you watch from what? 

Jill 

One thing. 

Dion 

Watch what was the best picture of Peter Eazy. 

Jill 

Great name. All the nominees for for. 

Speaker 7 

What? 

Jill 

Her best picture? 

Speaker 7 

Quinny 

So we have wicked. 

Peta 

And the nominees are. 

Quinny 

The substance. Nickel boys, do you need the the by and all that stuff or you just want? Names the film just name the film. Yeah, I’m still here. Amelia Perez June, Part 2. Conclave. A complete unknown. The Brutalist and the Norah. 

Jill 

OK, so out of. 

Speaker 

Jill 

3 movies I’ve seen in that long category. 

Speaker 7 

Mm. 

Jill 

I really did. I do love wicked, but I really, really liked the substance. I would. 

Speaker 

Would have. 

Jill 

Given it to the substance. 

Quinny 

I’m I’m kind of with you on that one, Jill. I I loved wicked, you know. Thought it was amazing, but I I thought the substance just. On. 

Peta 

My visceral reaction to the substance is entirely the result of the intent of the film maker. 

Jill 

So therefore it makes a really good picture. 

Peta 

I don’t. I mean, it’s a funny one because it is very much a genre film as well. It’s like, you know, it really is. It’s got so many nods to. To other styles and it’s Florida State done, but it seems like a weird one for best. Picture for me. Because it is a genre film. Basically a. When’s the horror ever won best Picture? 

Dion 

And this leader is why you would be perfect to be on the. ‘Cause you refuse? To acknowledge horror as a as a as a worthwhile genre for best picture. I mean. 

Peta 

Look, I would actually really, really love to be able to have this discussion properly. Having watched all of the films. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Speaker 

But. 

Quinny 

You know, we can only do so much. 

Jill 

I feel like it transcended the horror genre. 

Peta 

You know, I I wouldn’t necessarily peg wicked as a best picture film either, as much as I loved it intensely. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Peta 

So. So I better watch all the other ones and get back to you. 

Quinny 

Yeah, off you go. Watch June 2. 

Jill 

And is the one person here that did finish. All of the Nora. I did like it, but I wouldn’t say. It was better. The substance. Or wicked. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Jill 

I selected. I don’t know, I feel like. I feel like they just want to give it to like the really gritty, meaty kind of party movies. They don’t want to give it to something that’s truly entertaining. Yeah. 

Peta 

Blockbuster budget. Yeah. Well, Dion is the one who’s watched, I believe the most of these films out of all of us. For the key one, what would your pick of in? 

Dion 

Probably the substance. I think as a as a great. Like as a great film that that shattered a lot of illusions and boundaries and had a real point to say. I think the substance succeeded better than the rest of them. 

Peta 

You know, I I have also real kind of feelings about the malegaoness of of the substance that is for a larger discussion, which we can’t have because I know that I no doubt of the actual review. 

Dion 

Sure, sure. Maybe you just have to do that. Maybe it’s going to be like Peter just has to watch 5 minutes of the substance every month until you watch it all together to get herself used to it. 

Speaker 7 

Dion 

Do it going a bit like, yeah. 

Peta 

But then. From from what I’ve seen of vanora, you know has the same kind of. Male gazeiness issues. 

Jill 

And Nora is kind of like a modern. 

Peta 

And isn’t actually directed by a woman the way the substance is. 

Jill 

Yeah, that’s true, Nora. Would call. A a modern retelling of Pretty Woman. 

Peta 

Right. OK. That’s interesting. 

Jill 

But like without the happy ending. 

Peta 

Spoiler. 

Jill 

Without the Cinderella, without the Cinderella aspect, there’s plenty of happy endings. 

Quinny 

I mean, there were happy end. 

Jill 

I mean. 

Quinny 

Ings. 

Dion 

Speaking. Yeah. What? I mean depends how much you pay. But Speaking of the spoilers for endings, I highly recommend I would not spoil conclave because there has a twist in there which makes it makes sense, and I think if anyone spoils it for you, it kind of undercuts the whole tense argument of the film. So is conclave good? Yeah, it’s. It’s like it’s it’s. It has a a long. I just don’t think it was really. Worthy you. Everyone’s doing a great job, you know, but it’s just this real bottle story. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Dion 

Kind of a bit weird, but that’s what the papacy is. A bit weird. 

Quinny 

Yeah. 

Peta 

Is anyone in the chat watch more of the best picture nominees than we did? 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Peta 

Can give any any further. I. Insight into aside from this substance got to. 

Quinny 

I was going to say do we do, we want to to know what the residual divorce was. 

Jill 

Be the what? The Razzie for worst film. 

Dion 

Yeah. What was the worst? 

Quinny 

Well, the the nominees. So Mark Joseph, as the producer of Reagan is one of the nominees. Michael Bowden and Francis Ford Coppola producing. I’m doing the nominees. 

Jill 

Yeah. Are you doing worse picture? 

Quinny 

Yes, yes. 

Jill 

OK, ’cause, you’re just saying people’s names, not the. 

Quinny 

Oh, sorry for Reagan. So Mark Joseph, producer for Reagan. Francis Ford Coppola, producer on Megalopolis. Uh, Todd Phillips, Joseph Gohan and blah blah blah. Joker faliadeu. Avi Arad for Borderlands. And somebody who we actually had as a guest on this podcast. Yeah. Well, the producer of Transformers one, Lorenzo di Bonaventura, producer of Madam Webb and the winner is Madame Webb. 

Speaker 

Oh. 

Dion 

Congratulations, Madam. You’re the great Dame of the Raz world. 

Quinny 

Mm. 

Dion 

You’re up there now with Catwoman. Showgirls. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Quinny 

Yes, yes. 

Dion 

Well, that seems very misogynistic. That Razi wins. 

Quinny 

Yeah, now that you mentioned, that sounds like, wow, hang on. 

Speaker 7 

Actually. 

Dion 

Like. Yeah, no. We’re forgetting things like Battlefield Earth and Oh no butterfly, Gigi. This seems very. It seems like it’s always about women. 

Speaker 7 

Like. 

Peta 

You might have. You might have. Might have come across. A little. Blip in the way things are reviewed sometimes online. Yeah. And how that may be sometimes influences larger public opinion and how well the films do. 

Quinny 

I’m. I’m going back right to the early days of the Razzies, though, and some of the the Razzies are pretty spectacular. So in 1985, we got Rambo first blood, part two, 1986. We got Howard the duck. Cocktail Star Trek 5. 

Dion 

Look, it’s. Battlefield Earth got 7. 

Quinny 

Yeah, Hudson hawk. Uh, but yeah, it gets. 

Dion 

Cat’s got 6. 

Quinny 

Showgirls and striptease one after the other. 

Dion 

Yeah. Look, you know, oh, that was the one that that was the one that Demi. 

Speaker 

Why Wild West? 

Dion 

In that probably got her. 

Speaker 7 

Like which one? 

Dion 

She was in striptease. 

Speaker 7 

Oh yeah, I remember that. 

Peta 

Yeah, I. 

Dion 

And then? And she’s redeemed herself with the substance, which is very meta when you think about it. 

Speaker 7 

Hmm. 

Speaker 

Yeah. All right. 

Dion 

I think is that is that it? We’re all we we need to. And watch daredevil. 

Peta 

Yeah, you guys, you guys, you’re championing the bit I can tell everyone is like that Daredevil, Daredevil, Daredevil. 

Dion 

Yeah, we’ve got to get watch Daredevil. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Mickey, 17, comes out this Thursday. 

Jill 

Yes, go and see it. 

Dion 

Tomorrow, tomorrow, and we’ll be talking about it. 

Jill 

Go. See it. Please go and see it before we review it on Tuesday because it is well worth your time. 

Dion 

It’s, you know, will there be a Mickey 18? Will there be a Mickey 19? 

Quinny 

I love the fact that you don’t have to have seen Mickey one through 16 to really understand this one. 

Dion 

Yeah, yeah. We’ve all enjoyed the series of movies, you know Mickey, Mickey, part do. 

Quinny 

Too, Mickey, too furious. 

Dion 

Mic 3E. 

Quinny 

San Paul Mick. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah, coach. 

Dion 

Of want to make those up now? Make make posters for them. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Dion 

So come through. Anyway, thank thank you. Everyone for joining and thank you to you guys. To to my Co host for watching. 

Quinny 

It’s what we do. 

Dion 

And what we do or some films film I watch. 

Peta 

Or watching film. 

Speaker 

Quinny 

Times. 

Dion 

Yeah. Go see Mickey 17 and we’ll come back next week. For shipping at a regular time Tuesday next week, Tuesday. Not Wednesday, because yesterday we had to go see Mickey 17. 

Quinny 

Yeah, back on Tuesday. 

Dion 

So then we got here. 

Quinny 

Yeah, that’s what they were doing. 

Dion 

Yeah. And Tuesday for two shows it then Wednesday for the 26th, for the 400th show. Oh my God. Oh, yeah, yeah. We don’t have any plans for 400. So taking applications now, if anyone in the chat wants to suggest what we do for 400, we’re open to something. 

Peta 

Suggestions. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Nothing dangerous or illegal. 

Quinny 

Do you know what your suggestions for what we’re going to do? Casper, if you say Smallville, we will screen. 

Dion 

I do not have the time. 

Speaker 1 

Forecaster. 

Peta 

Tell our most loyal. 

Speaker 7 

I know. 

Peta 

Our most loyal participants and we can’t even just watch the ones. 

Jill 

You were serving it. 

Speaker 

Down with you after. 

Dion 

I just I I could not do it like I think. Don’t think I could physically do it. Sorry, Casper. Like, I feel like maybe for the five hundredths. 

Jill 

Gonna actually start watching now, brother. 

Dion 

Yeah, I have to stop now. And we’ll all do the whole. But if there’s any suggestions for the 400, we haven’t really made any things up yet. Please tell us what you want to do or what we could do or we’re just. To make some **** up on the fly. 

Quinny 

Yeah. Though we’re not going to do quadrilogies this time. Because like 200, we did sequels 300, we did trilogies. So no, we’re not going to do quad. 

Dion 

I mean it used. We could have done quads, but you know. We could uncoase when it was the alien cadilla, but then that it got ****** **, yeah. 

Speaker 

Do that. 

Quinny 

Oh, I like that kangas like, each host could pick a film for the other hosts to watch. 

Speaker 7 

Hi. 

Dion 

Oh, that’s. 

Quinny 

You’re just going to make me watch ******* parts and rec, aren’t you? 

Peta 

Dangerous. 

Dion 

I don’t know that that just makes everyone else. I can see everyone else’s eyes panic thinking about what ******* **** will Dion make me watch. 

Peta 

Is. 

Jill 

I like Frederick Angus. Other suggestion of me taking over and just talking about. 

Speaker 7 

Wrestle. 

Dion 

Maybe. 

Quinny 

Speaking of which, two, what do you think of? 

Jill 

Oh my God. Did everybody see John Cena do a ******* heel? On the weekend. So mad. 

Speaker 7 

Is that? 

Peta 

Casper, just like. Yeah, you’re on. You’re on the same page. 

Speaker 7 

Yes. 

Jill 

I’m so. 

Dion 

Mad. Is this a? 

Quinny 

I mean, if you didn’t see it there, you would have seen it on Jon Stewart, where he used the John Cena heel turn to explain Zielinski in the White House. With. Trump and JD Vance. 

Jill 

Oh, it’s Trump advanced. 

Dion 

So this isn’t a. This isn’t a barn dancing euphemism. 

Speaker 7 

Yeah. 

Dion 

No, he’ll. He’ll turn, step together, step together. 

Quinny 

No. OK. Yes, I I saw just that sequence and I was like, hey, I was like, holy ****, the rocks doing wrestling still what? 

Jill 

Yeah, he. Oh, my God. OK. OK, if you do want to see a wrestling special for episode 400, I will go in depth about the history of these characters and what makes their antics these days mean something in context to their past appearances. 

Speaker 

Dion 

Wrestling retrospective. 

Quinny 

That’s I like it. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Dion 

Russell Spective I love that Jesus. 

Quinny 

I I would join in on even though my favorite wrestler doesn’t wrestle anymore as far as I’m aware, Bill Goldberg doesn’t do wrestling anymore. He he was. Basically, I liked him because he looked a bit like me. Bald had a beard, you know. 

Jill 

Which is the only the. Couple of ancients that still wrestle is Rey Mysterio and. Arturus these guys are both in their 50s wrestling. 

Dion 

What are you guys talking about? 

Peta 

Phillies going out? I’ve read through I’m. I’m I’m checking on tropical cyclone. Bike, yeah. 

Dion 

Exactly. 

Peta 

I’m out, yes. 

Quinny 

And Peter both. 

Dion 

Stay safe for anyone out there worrying about cycling. Alfred, I’ve got a family member in the way and. Producer Phil is up there right now on the outer edges, so great times. Hope, peace and safety for. And it’s just a bit of rain and wind. 

Quinny 

Yeah, things crossed over now. 

Dion 

OK, OK. 

Speaker 

Yeah. 

Peta 

Laters. 

Quinny 

Thanks everybody. Night. 

Speaker 

Bye bye. All right.

Dion 

Well, I’ll eventually get out.